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on sunday, brooks was arrested and questioned by london police and the head of scotland yard and the number two resigned and, yesterday, the man what went public with the allegations, "news of the world," former she business reporter, was found dead in his london area him. he claims celebrity phones were hacked for exclusive stories. >> police say this is nod of what they call "outside involvement," in his death and are waiting results of the autopsy. murdoch says he was morning led of the wrong doing and shocked and appalled and ashamed and does not believe any employee in america may have hacked the phones of lend victims and established a special committee for journalism standards. >>shepard: two new reports indicate controversial practices in mortgage that forced the banks to stop foreclosures nationwide last year are still happening. two reports, one from the associated express -- and one from reuters they have in the stops using the people would sign documents with fake signatures without ever even reading the paperwork. the nation's biggest lenders promise to clamp down on tha
on sunday, brooks was arrested and questioned by london police and the head of scotland yard and the number two resigned and, yesterday, the man what went public with the allegations, "news of the world," former she business reporter, was found dead in his london area him. he claims celebrity phones were hacked for exclusive stories. >> police say this is nod of what they call "outside involvement," in his death and are waiting results of the autopsy. murdoch says he...
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the fabled scotland yard is reeling after two sudden resignations of its most senior leadership. sir paul stephenson, the police chief, and his deputy, john yates, career policemen who are the latest casualties in the phone hacking scandal. scotland yard is being accused of mishandling the investigation into "news of the world qug, maintaining at times close relationships with the very people they were supposed to be investigating. police officers accepting bribes from reporters has allegedly been commonplace. stephenson and yates deny any wrong doing on their part. >> i have acted with complete integrity and my conscience is clear. >> now the department tasked with counterterrorism and the 2012 olympics must find new leadership. what started as a scandal involving a single newspaper has now grown so large, it is rocking this country's institutions and the murdoch empire. so far, there has been four high profile resignations, ten arrests. most recently, rebecca brooks, one of rupert murdoch's most trusted executives. she resigned and was arrested two days later brooks, who denies
the fabled scotland yard is reeling after two sudden resignations of its most senior leadership. sir paul stephenson, the police chief, and his deputy, john yates, career policemen who are the latest casualties in the phone hacking scandal. scotland yard is being accused of mishandling the investigation into "news of the world qug, maintaining at times close relationships with the very people they were supposed to be investigating. police officers accepting bribes from reporters has...
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> ifill: the phone hacking crisis deepened in britain today with a second high-level resignation at scotland yard and the death of a whistleblower. good evening, i'm gwen ifill. >> woodruff: and i'm judy woodruff. on the "newshour" tonight, weç get the latest on the scandal including claims of illegal eavesdropping and bribery by journalists working for rupert murdoch's news corp from ned temko of the "london observer." >> ifill: then, we examine president obama's pick to lead a new consumer protection agency. >> woodruff: from indonesia, ray suarez reports on a nation coming to grips with mental health disorders even as its institutions lock up and chain patients. >> this enormous country has almost no psychiatrists,çç leaving the mentally ill with very few options for treatment. >> ifill: kwame holman brings us the latest on the showdown over raising the government's borrowing limit. >> woodruff: and jeffrey brown talks to legendary concert pianist leon fleisher about overcoming a disability that nearly silenced his career. >> if there was a way that i could remain active in music w
> ifill: the phone hacking crisis deepened in britain today with a second high-level resignation at scotland yard and the death of a whistleblower. good evening, i'm gwen ifill. >> woodruff: and i'm judy woodruff. on the "newshour" tonight, weç get the latest on the scandal including claims of illegal eavesdropping and bribery by journalists working for rupert murdoch's news corp from ned temko of the "london observer." >> ifill: then, we examine president...
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. >>> a mysterious death at scotland yard. a new two is in the phone hacking scandal. >>> another warm-up. when we come back, we will hit 90 degrees by thursday. >> residents and seven homes were forced to evacuate after a construction crew ruptured a gas main in oakley today. i camera was rolling as gas spewed from the ground. crews had to cut off service to 11 homes. repairs were completed at 3:00 this afternoon. >>> secretary clinton arrived in india today, a week after a series of deadly bombings in move by preaching is in india for talks on security and counterterrorism peter and eckstadt includes indonesia, hong kong, and china. >>> but didn't phone hacking scandal claimed another career and life. another news reporter was found dead in his home today. today they say that the debt is not suspicious. amy kellogg reports. >> reporter: scotland yard's number 2 was forced to resign. the latest casualty of the phone hacking scandal, less than 24 hours after the commissioner himself steps down. they'd say seen on would be a di
. >>> a mysterious death at scotland yard. a new two is in the phone hacking scandal. >>> another warm-up. when we come back, we will hit 90 degrees by thursday. >> residents and seven homes were forced to evacuate after a construction crew ruptured a gas main in oakley today. i camera was rolling as gas spewed from the ground. crews had to cut off service to 11 homes. repairs were completed at 3:00 this afternoon. >>> secretary clinton arrived in india today, a...
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who cares if the head of scotland yard resigns. why is scotland yard policing england anyway? call me when the head of england yard resigns. that's news. now thankfully, folks, there is a voice of reason out there. boston friend steve doocy who last friday blew the lid back on to this story with some pr guy who may or may not be employed by rupert murdoch. jimmy, pitch me off a deuce. >> what do you make of what this particular hacking scandal with the news of the world. >> the "news of the world" is a hacking scandal t can't be denied but the issue really is why are so many people piling on at this point. >> avenue's got some serious problems in this country right now. we are teetering on default with. what do they do. they talk about this. >> we know it is a hacking scandal. shouldn't we get beyond it and really deal with the issue of hacking? i mean citicorp has been hacked into. bank of america has been hacked into. i think any of the same kind of attention for hacking that took place less than a year ago that news corp. is getting today. >> right. >> stephen: right. those
who cares if the head of scotland yard resigns. why is scotland yard policing england anyway? call me when the head of england yard resigns. that's news. now thankfully, folks, there is a voice of reason out there. boston friend steve doocy who last friday blew the lid back on to this story with some pr guy who may or may not be employed by rupert murdoch. jimmy, pitch me off a deuce. >> what do you make of what this particular hacking scandal with the news of the world. >> the...
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. >> the other part of the story so many facets to it is the corruption allegations at scotland yard, the police agency. we're starting today's testimony with the police. >> reporter: that's right. two of the top cops in the country, former metropolitan police commissioner already resigned and then john yates in charge of the phone hacking investigation review he too resigned yesterday. this is how far the scandal has gone. it cast a shadow over scotland yard and everyone now especially lawmakers are trying to get to the bottom of just how much corruption was there, how cozy was the relationship between news of the world and scotland yard. >> it's going to have implications for david cameron's government. andy coleson is being alleged to have known about this when he was heading up the newspaper. >> reporter: this goes to show how it goes to the very hard of politics here basically andy was the chief spin doctor for prime minister david cameron so this is a major embarrassment for him and it's so bad that he's coming back to england early from his trip to south africa specifically to
. >> the other part of the story so many facets to it is the corruption allegations at scotland yard, the police agency. we're starting today's testimony with the police. >> reporter: that's right. two of the top cops in the country, former metropolitan police commissioner already resigned and then john yates in charge of the phone hacking investigation review he too resigned yesterday. this is how far the scandal has gone. it cast a shadow over scotland yard and everyone now...
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of dow jones resigned over the weekend former news of the world at the rebecca brooks was arrested scotland yard chief paul stephenson stepped down on sunday night and by today john yates the assistant commissioner was also on his way now at the request of certain members of congress eric holder and the justice department have now launched an investigation into whether or not victims of nine eleven had also been hacked and bloomberg reported today that news corp's independent directors have begun it questioning the company's response to the crisis and whether a leadership change is needed they cited unnamed sources there so is it time to start questioning if murdoch's time as a media moguls coming to an end and is this the scandal of the left has been waiting for joining me to discuss it is katrina vanden you will editor and publisher of the nation magazine katrina thanks so much for joining us tonight it's been a while since we've had you on the program now what do you think is murdoch is he going to step down is he going to be forced to is there any way they continue on can continue on hi
of dow jones resigned over the weekend former news of the world at the rebecca brooks was arrested scotland yard chief paul stephenson stepped down on sunday night and by today john yates the assistant commissioner was also on his way now at the request of certain members of congress eric holder and the justice department have now launched an investigation into whether or not victims of nine eleven had also been hacked and bloomberg reported today that news corp's independent directors have...
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who cares if the head of scotland yard resigns. why is scotland yard policing england anyway? call me when the head of england yard resigns nap's news. >> time for your political ticker with tim farley. listen, i want to show you a poll. as the clock ticks -- as we get closer to that deadline for the debt ceiling, a new cbs poll shows that 46% say that the debt ceiling should be raised. compared to 24% in june. 49% shouldn't compared to 69% in june. the president has asked for a deal to get done by friday. what is your sense of it? >> sense right now is that -- something. it closer to the mitch mcconnell solution. which would involve a less con view lated series of events. the president vie toting the house and senate. i think that's the direction we're heading. some things in there about cuts. we'll have to wait and see. i hi we'll know by friday where we are going on this, finally. >> a couple of distractions. one is news corporation. people are paying attention to thatpy understand both martin sheen and michael vick are going to be on capitol hill and it has nothing to do w
who cares if the head of scotland yard resigns. why is scotland yard policing england anyway? call me when the head of england yard resigns nap's news. >> time for your political ticker with tim farley. listen, i want to show you a poll. as the clock ticks -- as we get closer to that deadline for the debt ceiling, a new cbs poll shows that 46% say that the debt ceiling should be raised. compared to 24% in june. 49% shouldn't compared to 69% in june. the president has asked for a deal to...
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this time the number two man in scotland yard. one day after number one man went belly up. and easy to follow flow chart tonight of the tangled relationships between and among murdoch's people and the police and will ask, is it happening here in america as well? if you've never heard that michele bachmann referred to homosexuality at bondage, despair and enslavement, gay rights groups have and are making sure will you. tonight, anything you say, or certainly anything michele bachmann says, will be used against you in the court of public opinion. let me finish tonight with a great moment for america. even if defeat at the world cup. we start with the republicans as a protest party. david korn and an msnbc political analyst and pat buchanan, a political analyst as well for msnbc. i was watching you on "morning joe." working both ends ever the block. 12 hours after you began your day. never seen a republican democrat party, we have is a position, take it or leave it. we're not dealing at all with you. what do you think of the party platform now. >>> the republican party, the t
this time the number two man in scotland yard. one day after number one man went belly up. and easy to follow flow chart tonight of the tangled relationships between and among murdoch's people and the police and will ask, is it happening here in america as well? if you've never heard that michele bachmann referred to homosexuality at bondage, despair and enslavement, gay rights groups have and are making sure will you. tonight, anything you say, or certainly anything michele bachmann says, will...
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elizabeth palmer reports scotland yard's two top officials have resigned and one of rupert murdoch's closest associates was arrested. the debt battle. a new cbs news poll shows democrats and republicans are paying a price for the drownout talks. norah o'donnell and nancy cordes have that. it is bone dry across america's heartland. maya rodriguez tells us this year's heat and drought are making history. and mark strassmann on the next race for space. four private companies are competing to a build successor to the shuttle. we'll give you a glimpse of the future. captioning sponsored by cbs this is the "cbs evening news" with scott pelley. >> schieffer: good evening, scott's off tonight. i'm bob schieffer. the tabloid phone hacking and police bribery scandal in great britain is growing wider, deeper and more mysterious by the minute. the prime minister cut short an overseas trip to return home. he will address parliament about it. the original whistle-blower was found dead, unexplained causes so far. the top man in scotland yard resigned yesterday and today the yard's number-two man wa
elizabeth palmer reports scotland yard's two top officials have resigned and one of rupert murdoch's closest associates was arrested. the debt battle. a new cbs news poll shows democrats and republicans are paying a price for the drownout talks. norah o'donnell and nancy cordes have that. it is bone dry across america's heartland. maya rodriguez tells us this year's heat and drought are making history. and mark strassmann on the next race for space. four private companies are competing to a...
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the top two officials resign from scotland yard and david cameron cuts short a foreign trip as calls for his resignation appear in the british press. now, most disturbingly, sean hoare, one two of the whistle-blowing journalists that brought it to light was found dead in his home. rebecca brooks was arrested this weekend after resigning as ceo of news corp. she is expected to testify tomorrow. this is not her first time appearing before parliament, the clip i'm showing you is from 2003. watch closely. brooks testifying with andy coulson. coulson went on to become david cameron's spokesman and has since resigned and has been arrested in the scandal. >> can i ask, the one element if you ever pay the bliss for information? >> we have paid police for information in the past, and it's been -- >> will you do it in the put? >> it depends on -- >> within the code and within the law, there is a clear public interest and the same holds for private detectives, subterfuge. >> it's illegal for police officers to receive payments. >> no, no, no. i just said within the law. >> this is not only the
the top two officials resign from scotland yard and david cameron cuts short a foreign trip as calls for his resignation appear in the british press. now, most disturbingly, sean hoare, one two of the whistle-blowing journalists that brought it to light was found dead in his home. rebecca brooks was arrested this weekend after resigning as ceo of news corp. she is expected to testify tomorrow. this is not her first time appearing before parliament, the clip i'm showing you is from 2003. watch...
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bill: the police out of scotland yard have been in the crosshairs. amy kellogg is live in london beginning our coverage there. >> reporter: when the murdochs testify they are obliged to answer questions quote by their honor. a lot of people are saying because this meeting before a parliamentary committee and judge-led and police-led inquiries, the panel must prove this is not just a piece of political theater. there has been immense media interest. cameras were out as james murdoch left his home to go to news international offices and snappers chased rupert murdoch as he left his home. they will answer questions for an hour. and that's starting in half-hour. then rebekah brooks who used to run murdoch's british newspaper empire until last week will answer questions. a limited number of the public are being allowed in. people were lined up at 7:00 a.m. and the line stretched around the block trying to get a seat. the police are still also under allegation of corruption. this story has so many 10 kals, many threads of inquiry even as it involves police
bill: the police out of scotland yard have been in the crosshairs. amy kellogg is live in london beginning our coverage there. >> reporter: when the murdochs testify they are obliged to answer questions quote by their honor. a lot of people are saying because this meeting before a parliamentary committee and judge-led and police-led inquiries, the panel must prove this is not just a piece of political theater. there has been immense media interest. cameras were out as james murdoch left...
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yard, the number two at scotland yard, and the director for cameron himself all either resigned or arrested at this point? it seems like the political fallout in britain is still really continuing. >> i think it's all of the pieces that makes the story so darn interesting, tough to look away. the "wall street journal" today suggesting that people like you, people like me, are far too interested in and we are engaging by taking joy in the pain and misery of mr. murdoch and the people that work there. at the same time, if you looked at the front page of the "wall street journal," splash, big story, three more stories inside. you have an editorial saying you're ganging up on us. well, hey, your own paper, the biggest, most important business paper in the world, saw fit to publish four big hard-hitting stories about it. >> right after the chain saw line, which i thought was a great line, while being insulted by it i admired the insulter. in the same paragraph, you get, they want -- they, you and i and the rest of the media -- they want us to believe based on no evidence that the publication som
yard, the number two at scotland yard, and the director for cameron himself all either resigned or arrested at this point? it seems like the political fallout in britain is still really continuing. >> i think it's all of the pieces that makes the story so darn interesting, tough to look away. the "wall street journal" today suggesting that people like you, people like me, are far too interested in and we are engaging by taking joy in the pain and misery of mr. murdoch and the...
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they want to know how far the corruption goes in scotland yard. former senior police officer john yates is the latest head to roll. now under investigation for his failed review of the police phone hacking investigation and according to the independent police complaints commission allegations of "inappropriately securing employment for the daughter of a friend." yates resigned on monday before the investigation was announced, in a statement to the press he said, though regrets some decisions, his conscience is clear. >> as i said recently it is a matter of great personal regret that those potentially affected by phone hacking were not dealt with appropriately. sadly, there continues to be a huge amount of inaccurate, ill informed and on occasioned downright malicious gossip being published about me personally. >> reporter: on sunday top cop paul stephenson resigned. just how cozy was the relationship between british police and news international? did police pay and look the other way when it came to phone hacking? according to police documents fro
they want to know how far the corruption goes in scotland yard. former senior police officer john yates is the latest head to roll. now under investigation for his failed review of the police phone hacking investigation and according to the independent police complaints commission allegations of "inappropriately securing employment for the daughter of a friend." yates resigned on monday before the investigation was announced, in a statement to the press he said, though regrets some...
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watson also went onto say, talking about he suggests that you were present at a meeting with scotland yard when police officers conducted a murder investigation providing you with evidence that your newspaper was interfering with the pursuit of justice. he mentioned alex marancak, and a member of the metropolitan police. can you tell us more about that meet stph-g. >> i can tell you something about it, but i was asked to recall a meeting that i'd had at scotland yard in 2002, and i had -- i was asked recently i think by channel 4 if that story was referring to my information. and my recollection of that meeting was entirely different. my recollection of the meeting was on a completely different subject. and so i'm only going on what i was told by channel 4. they say it's a meeting in november that i had, that was what was put to me. i checked my diary as much as possible and there was no meeting in november. however, there was a subsequent meeting in very early january. it may be that it was that meeting. that was not my recollection of the meeting. but on the other hand because of th
watson also went onto say, talking about he suggests that you were present at a meeting with scotland yard when police officers conducted a murder investigation providing you with evidence that your newspaper was interfering with the pursuit of justice. he mentioned alex marancak, and a member of the metropolitan police. can you tell us more about that meet stph-g. >> i can tell you something about it, but i was asked to recall a meeting that i'd had at scotland yard in 2002, and i had --...
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. >> head of scotland yard resigned yesterday. >> rebekah brooks was released on jail. >> rupert murdoch is said to face the scandal head-on tomorrow. >> now we move to david cameron. >> is cutting short a trip today to south africa. >> order. when are they going to do the decent thing and resign? >> congress now has 15 days to pass a bill to raise the debt ceiling before the united states government goes into a catastrophic default on august 2nd. today harry reid announced the senate will meet every day until the debt ceiling is raised. yesterday, david rogers of politico discovered and reported that house speaker john boehner and eric cantor held a secret meeting with barack obama at the white house. a republican leadership aide said "the lines of communication are being kept open, but there's nothing to report in terms of an agreement or progress." tomorrow the house republicans will hold a vote on the tea party's preferred solution to deficit reduction, the cut, cap, and balance bill, a bill that would slash spending and make raising taxes even more impossible than it seems to be now
. >> head of scotland yard resigned yesterday. >> rebekah brooks was released on jail. >> rupert murdoch is said to face the scandal head-on tomorrow. >> now we move to david cameron. >> is cutting short a trip today to south africa. >> order. when are they going to do the decent thing and resign? >> congress now has 15 days to pass a bill to raise the debt ceiling before the united states government goes into a catastrophic default on august 2nd. today...
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. >> brown: at a separate hearing, the just-resigned head of scotland yard-- sir paul stephenson-- also denied wrongdoing. he said he was embarrassed that he'd hired a former "news of the world" executive, neil wallis, as a public relations consultant. wallis has now been arrested. >> i had no reason to connect wallis with phone hacking. i had no reason to doubt his impropriety. nothing had come to my attention. i had no knowledge of the previous inquiry, and i had no reason to enquire of the previous inquiry, and i had been given assurances by a senior grade chief constable that actually there was nothing new. >> brown: away from the hearings, scotland yard announced today it found no outside involvement in the death of sean hoare, a former "news of the world" reporter who'd been an early whistleblower in the scandal. hoare was found dead monday at his home north of london. more now on today's hearings and the murdoch media empire. we're joined, from london, by john burns of "the new york times," and from new york, by david folkenflik, who covers the media for npr. so, john burns, what
. >> brown: at a separate hearing, the just-resigned head of scotland yard-- sir paul stephenson-- also denied wrongdoing. he said he was embarrassed that he'd hired a former "news of the world" executive, neil wallis, as a public relations consultant. wallis has now been arrested. >> i had no reason to connect wallis with phone hacking. i had no reason to doubt his impropriety. nothing had come to my attention. i had no knowledge of the previous inquiry, and i had no...
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commissioner, john gates also from scotland yard and another resignation. the past decision of not to reopen a former investigation. >> i have this complete integrity and my conscience is clear. i look forward to the future where my role will be examined in a proper and the environment and where my actions will be judged on the evidence. rather than on innuendo and speculation as they are at present. >>catherine: testimony expected from the news editor, rebecca brooks a restive over the weekend. rupert plants on testifying tomorrow we have more of what to expect he plans on the testifying tomorrow. if the off (church bells) >> 1 big ben strikes all three will be appearing before a parliamentary could be the most important hour of their entire career. the big political beat is that there is perhaps she is not able to shed light on what really happened if she is arrested. with former deputy prime minister promised of the things murdoch has a lot to answer for. everybody is scared to death to do anything. and the spider in this web is about time we took him on
commissioner, john gates also from scotland yard and another resignation. the past decision of not to reopen a former investigation. >> i have this complete integrity and my conscience is clear. i look forward to the future where my role will be examined in a proper and the environment and where my actions will be judged on the evidence. rather than on innuendo and speculation as they are at present. >>catherine: testimony expected from the news editor, rebecca brooks a restive over...
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this is producing interests facts between murdoch's newspapers and scotland yards. >> the british tabloid schedule and unprecedented day for the owner at the center of it. elizabeth palmer is outside parliament with the latest. >> reporter: as you said, the murdochs have been testifying in front of what is technically a committee on media culture and sport. but i can tell you that the atmosphere around here is much more like a cross between epic drama and an imposition. the set for this drama, the splendor of britain's westminster parliament. the star of the show, media titan rupert murdoch. as investors around the world hanging on his every word and gesture. he is used to giving orders and not answering questions especially from politicians who until recently held him in either awe or terror. >> this is the most humble day of my life. >> reporter: by his side, his son james, the senior executive in the murdoch family empire. >> the company has admitted liability to victims of illegal voice mail interceptions, has apologized unreservedly, which i repeat today, to those victims, and the co
this is producing interests facts between murdoch's newspapers and scotland yards. >> the british tabloid schedule and unprecedented day for the owner at the center of it. elizabeth palmer is outside parliament with the latest. >> reporter: as you said, the murdochs have been testifying in front of what is technically a committee on media culture and sport. but i can tell you that the atmosphere around here is much more like a cross between epic drama and an imposition. the set for...
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the head of scotland yard has left, the deputy to scotland yard has left and the incompetence of london's authorities was very much on display in that hearing room. there are only 50 seats in that room. that's not wembley stadium or yankee stadium. that is a small room. the idea that the authorities there could not keep an assault and that's what this was, an assault, from taking place is just completely outrageous and the people who run parliament security ought to be absolutely ashamed of themselves. >> you mentioned this isn't wembley stadium but the man in custody getting his face wiped by the police looks like he was attending a sporting event. certainly stood out from the suits and the business attire that we saw. we know from our producer in the room that this man came from the back of the room, had a bag, opened up the bag. this all taking place while everybody watched. it seems inconceivable that that could happen. >> you know, all of us in the united states are unhappily used to going through metal detectors, having people check our belongings, but if there was ever a room where
the head of scotland yard has left, the deputy to scotland yard has left and the incompetence of london's authorities was very much on display in that hearing room. there are only 50 seats in that room. that's not wembley stadium or yankee stadium. that is a small room. the idea that the authorities there could not keep an assault and that's what this was, an assault, from taking place is just completely outrageous and the people who run parliament security ought to be absolutely ashamed of...
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. >> the top two at scotland yard are now out. this is going to lop don this week -- london this weekend to look at the olympics. in one year from now, the world is coming there and scotland yard is in tatters. >> a lot to go. >> thanks, guys. >>> coming up, somalia is becoming the next target on the war on terror. the investigative reporter for the nation, jeremy skayhill. and chief white house correspondent chuck todd. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. my contacts are so annoying. i can't wait to take 'em out. [ male announcer ] know the feeling? try acuvue® oasys brand contact lenses with hydraclear® plus for exceptional comfort. it feels like it disappeared on my eye! [ male announcer ] discover why it's the brand eye doctors trust most for comfort. acuvue® oasys brand. [ male announcer ] get ready for the left lane. the volkswagen autobahn for all event is back. right now, get a great deal on new volkswagen models, including the cc. and every volkswagen includes scheduled carefree maintenance. that's the p
. >> the top two at scotland yard are now out. this is going to lop don this week -- london this weekend to look at the olympics. in one year from now, the world is coming there and scotland yard is in tatters. >> a lot to go. >> thanks, guys. >>> coming up, somalia is becoming the next target on the war on terror. the investigative reporter for the nation, jeremy skayhill. and chief white house correspondent chuck todd. you're watching "morning joe" brewed...
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scotland yard at the same time. neil wallace's daughter apparently and so on so on how far does it go? >> this is something i don't know. something various different inquiries launched will have to get to the bottom of. one thing that is clear there was culture this was normal. wasn't just a few bad apples doing bad things. if i had had been some ways we would be left worrying. actually a culture this seemed fine, people good people and good police officers thought it was normal to have lunch with a journalist and take a little bit of a -- >> that was wrong. >> that was wrong. you have to root out the whole thing. not just the few individuals. >> why did boris johnson when some of this come up say, a lot of is --. degree of complacency going to the very top within london, wasn't there? >> i think whole political class have underestimated this for a very long time because frankly we were all the in the business of trying to win approval of various newspapers and various journalists and editors and even proprietors. y
scotland yard at the same time. neil wallace's daughter apparently and so on so on how far does it go? >> this is something i don't know. something various different inquiries launched will have to get to the bottom of. one thing that is clear there was culture this was normal. wasn't just a few bad apples doing bad things. if i had had been some ways we would be left worrying. actually a culture this seemed fine, people good people and good police officers thought it was normal to have...